My first EU-meeting in Italy

Submitted by Hagen Graf on 14. December 2007 - 11:20

Since last sunday I was a participant of the first meeting of an european project. It was the first time that I was involved in such a process, so I was very curious what will be happen there.

The meeting took place in Tolmezzo, Italy.

The EU is providing different frameworks. In these frameworks, they try to face the aims, the goals (the dreams Smiling ) of the EU coming together.
This project is in the framework Socrates and the people who applied for want to produce a thing called "Teaching Bank" and "Toolkit".

My role was to propose an idea for a website which covers the idea of project. So, I thought, it is a good way to show them Drupal and a small part of wath is possible with CCK and Views. Drupal is Open Source Software, it is comparable with LEGO bricks and  of course ... I like it. Christine is running a project which uses Drupal (cross-cooking.eu). It was a bit tricky to set it up, but the participants like it because of the consistent user interface an the easy way to create content.

In this project the partners are from Latvia, Turkey, Sweden, Italy, UK and Germany.

In the application they have defined different workpackages to reach the aims of the project.

In the meeting room, there was no wireless internet connection, but luckily I had my small fonera router with me. So I tried to find an access to their companies network Smiling and after an hour it was working well.

When I attend computer conferences, usually all the people have laptops and they do something with there machines.

Here in this meeting room, there were a few laptops, but it was the Microsoft dominated world. People use MSN, MS Word, MS Powerpoint. Often they receive preconfigured Laptops from their university or company with all that stuff on it. Nobody was using Firefox Browser, Open Office and so on. From one laptop I hear often a sound: "Attention, possible Virus attack!". The owner of that seems to be proud to have a machine like this.

So I realized ... it will be a long way to an open environment like Drupal.

The first day people discuss about bureaucratic things. Budget, subcontracts, work packages ... paper, paper, paper.

For me it was interesting to see how these projects are structured. There was one new partner in the group and the other partners knew each other from former projects. The new partner seems to be very experienced in european things, especially the bureaucratic ones.

It's hard to describe the effects in the meeting but imagine: people from six different countries and cultures try to work together. It reminds me of my own school time, when we try to work in groups. Sometimes it was a disaster, sometimes it was possible and very seldom it was "a cool gang of partners". It takes always time to come together, to understand and respect each other and so on.

The italian partners were very polite, nice, friendly, ... (good people) and they try to offer us a friendly environment (atmosphere) with delicious food and these things.

At the second day we showed our ideas of the website. A website is always a complicated thing because in the beginning you have nearly nothing but an idea and it is hard for people who are usually not involved in these processes to get the idea. Because it was not really clear, how the structure and the outcomes will be at the end, we proposed a few possibilities to come to a solution (different Drupal modules, wiki, ...).

Another small thing I realized: When people see me working with a laptop with internet connection, they assume that I can help them to fix problems on their pc, so I helped a few people to get internet access (in the meeting room, in the hotel Smiling ).

For these projects it could be so helpful if all the partner could have a bit more media (internet) experience.

Often they are "prisoners" in closed university/company environments. They have to use services which are sometimes not the best for their work and not their choice. Open Source Software is nearly unknown. Web 2.0 platforms like facebook, flickr, linkedin, ning are not common and when they chat, they know often only MSN. When they like things, they have it on their mobile phone, but the use of the mobiles is expensive (roaming) and it it hard to grab the media from there to the internet.

The whole days I was thinking, what I can do to change something. In the group is one partner with "his own" social network solution which he developed in the last years. It is a platform with "everything abot e-Learning" inside. On one hand it is a good idea, on the other hand it is the "boil the ocean" approach. He was used to this type of software/platform but for me and most of the others in the group it seems to be as closed and complicated as all the other things. May be ten years ago, he had the same experience than me and then was thinking how to do it better ... I don't know.

The target group of the outcome of this project is for me not clear defined at the moment but it seems to be the teachers in the EU and in Turkey. "The teachers" is an interesting term. For example in Germany, we have around 800.000 teachers. The average age is 49!. Any questions about the use of platforms like facebook, myspace, second life ??

Okay ... I will write regularly about my experiences in this project, but now it is enough for today. As I said I enjoyed the time and I am lucky and surely proud to be a part of this project Smiling

here are a few photos of the meeting:

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Venedig im Dezember | bloghouse.org (not verified) Says:
14. December 2007 - 11:42

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Mein Bloghouse Blog Says:
14. December 2007 - 12:08

it is amazing

to read this. and I congratulate you for the decision to blog more about your project experiences, so it will not stay longer  "behind closed doors" for people like me. I was also in Venice a few weeks ago (we had a little bit more sun) and I had a very interesting contact, near Tolmezzo.  It is an international school for bookillustration (section children). they just had a "mostra" in Venice. I would also like to greet the persons I recognize at the photos:)
My decision for the next year: I will blog mainly in english!
Greetings Momo

 

Ups, sorry I thought that this is Tines Blog...


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Christine Graf Says:
14. December 2007 - 13:29

It's not always behind the

It's not always behind the curtain, as good as possible I write about these projects. But all publications are agreed in the project groups and therefore it seems sometimes a bit behind the curtain Eye-wink


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Murgeys Says:
16. December 2007 - 10:46

group work and other things

And how I know this feeling of group work, the differences between each other's knowledge about what to use and for the first time, I managed to do a MSN chat conference. I know it is MSN, but you can't imagine how difficult it is to get the people together at the same time other than meeting physically.

So I don't think it is necessarily an age phenomena of not using certain applications. Even though we might use it on a daily basis, there still is a clear division between work and leisure talk.

People need tangible things to hold on to, to know what is going on in general. It is very rare, that information exchange works via e-mails, skype, MSN, facebook (no matter what tools).

And regarding your ability to help others with Internet. I think, it is because you simply look professional and knowledgeable. Smiling


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18. December 2007 - 10:09

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MALT partner (not verified) Says:
20. December 2007 - 14:37

Reflections on the initial project meeting

I am, as one of the project partners in the project you refer to, looking forward to see how you are going to get us out of the 'mental jailhouse' that you consider that we are in. The experience of partners with the solutions and interaction approaches that you refer to in your blog may however not be that limited as you portray it. In weak light, weak attention to details, or in a predominant 'we-them' perspective, it may appear as one say that 'all cats may appear as grey'.

The crucial question however is what will actually be produced from your side in order to provide the services that the project has been promising to deliver for its European target groups. As those services are beyond a blog it is, as said initially, with great interest that I will follow your own contributions to the project concerning workable web solutions for all concerned, and the development of functional solutions will actually take place which will, as you imply in your declarations will be more superior than those services and solutions that you so frequently ridicule.


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Christine Graf Says:
21. December 2007 - 13:53

partnership

Whoever is behind the "Malt partner", I understand a partnership as a relation which based on mutuality. In the best cases it's balanced: every partner contribute, give and take something.
In your comment it sounds a bit like: if you contribute the right things the project/partnership will be successful. Hopefully I misinterpret that!

 


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sileNT (not verified) Says:
22. July 2008 - 21:22

hmm, where can one apply to participate?

Hmm, where can one apply to participate in a project endorsed by EU?

I thought Socrates is only for students making their year (or six months) abroad?


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ukrope (not verified) Says:
2. August 2008 - 13:04

Partners in EUProjects

to find partners and to makte an application for fonds you should visit the EU- Web pages.( for germany http://bibb2.skygate.de/info3/index.php?action=productlist2&id=1). We are a senior group and we are participating in projects and we made applications also for Grundtvig mobility to visit international conferences ( or elearning meetings). You can find also inforamtion in a database:http://ec.europa.eu/education/trainingsdatabase/search.htm.
Best regards from a retired teacher using the Internet since 1989, offering onlineteaching with web 2.0 tools


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